Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend of Obama fundraiser Bernadine Dohrn?

The Minneapolis Star-Tribune has a story out about the re-jailed Sara Jane Olson, aka Kathleen Soliah, with a picture showing her being very talkative and friendly with ex-Weathermen leader Bernadine Dohrn.  The current events relevancy here is the Dohrn-Ayers fundraiser for Barack Obama.

There's been recent controversy about the release and quick rearrest of Olson.  Here's the story with that interesting photo today from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/ 16944051.html

First of all, who was Sara Jane Olson?  AKA Kathleen Soliah?

On April 21, 1975, Symbionese Liberation Army members robbed a bank in Carmichael, CA, in the process killing 42-year-old Myrna Opsahl, a mother of four depositing money for her church.  Patty Hearst, who admitted to being a getaway driver during the crime, provided the original information that led the police to implicate the SLA in the robbery and murder.  She also stated that Kathleen Soliah (who in her fugitive life adopted the name Sara Jane Olson) was one of the actual robbers.   According to Hearst, Soliah also kicked a pregnant teller in the abdomen, leading to a miscarriage.  Several rounds of 9mm ammunition spilled on the bank floor and found in Opsahl's body during the robbery bore manufacturing marks that matched that of ammunition loaded in a 9mm Browning Hi-Power semi-automatic pistol found by police in Soliah's bedroom dresser drawer at the SLA safehouse.  Soliah also was indicted for setting bombs under LAPD police cars, but vanished before the trial could commence.  A timeline of her life can be found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23743392/

According to a Slate magazine writer, Bill Ayers was on Sara Jane Olson's defense fund committee.  http://www.slate.com/id/2058764/  Sara Jane Olson was the name taken by Kathleen Ann Soliah, a fugitive from justice who was caught after an America's Most Wanted program.

By now you may know about the Politico story, the fundraiser Bernadine Dohrn and husband Bill Ayers threw for Obama:  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/020 8/8630.html

"I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress," said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. "[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor." *

Smith notes:

But -- unlike some other fringe figures of the era -- they're [Ayers and Dohrn] also flatly unrepentant about the bombings they committed in the name of ending the war, defending them on the grounds that they killed no one, except, accidentally, their own members.

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members' robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

"I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough," Ayers told the New York Times in 2001. [end Politico references]

I still have not seen any mention by Obama of regretting benefiting from the fundraiser, of returning the money generated, etc.



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Great comedy here today. (2.00 / 3)

You should photo-shop up a picture like the Swift Boaters did with John Kerry and Jane Fonda back in `04.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:19:12 PM EST

Re: Was re-jailed SLA member (2.00 / 3)

Oh for G-D's sake I get it you don't like him but you don't need to play 6 degrees of separation.
BTW BHO was 8 in 1968 he was throwin a ball not a bomb
Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:19:56 PM EST

I heard he (2.00 / 1)

had a wicked 3 pointer shot back then too. No doubt that will be a problem for him politically. ;)


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by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:25:27 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member (1.00 / 1)

No, he benefited from a fundraiser thrown by Dohrn and Ayers while he was running for office in Illinois.  It was basically his introduction to the radical-chic segment of Illinois politics.  Pbama's wife invited Ayers to speak on a panel.  They were on the same board together.

Go read a history book.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:36:36 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member (none / 0)

And this related to the SLA how?


by dannyinla on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:48:34 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member (none / 0)

Oh, yes, I saw the YouTube folks posted on this last week. It said Obama "made an innocuous little speech in their living room."

OH NO - AN INNOCUOUS LITTLE SPEECH!!!


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by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:50:31 PM EST
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HRC influenced by Saul Alinsky (none / 0)

I have. That is why I know that BHO was in grade school when the Weather Underground was active.

Currently Ayers is Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago and Dorhn is director of the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University School of Law, Legal Clinic.

The issue for me is that the diarist takes the time to connect BHO to a jailed SLA member. What was the point?

Because HRC was influenced by Saul Alinsky who also influenced BHO does that mean that Alinsky has a cadre of 'Manchurian candidates'. No.


Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:11:43 AM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (1.00 / 1)

Anyone who cares about Obama's political career should be thinking of ways to make Hillary take him on as her VP...

Obama's political career is over if he doesn't get a win this cycle, and with Wright, Rezko, SLA GATE he is starting to look like a walking scandal...

Obama can't win in the general and Wright means unless he can win and gain time before his next political contest he will be finished.


by DTaylor on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:21:21 PM EST

I am, literally, laughing out loud. (2.00 / 3)

Thanks...


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:24:00 PM EST
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Re: I am, literally, laughing out loud. (none / 0)

Have you seen Al Gore lately?  
Kerry?  
Mondale?  
Dukakis?
Heart?
Kennedy?

Losing kills careers and Obama has enough baggage that he can't repeat his current position if we started over.

Now you may think that white America is cool with wright/rezko/SLA but you are wrong...He can't win this cycle


by DTaylor on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:27:29 PM EST
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Will you vote for him if he is the nominee? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:28:10 PM EST
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Re: Will you vote for him if he is the nominee? (2.00 / 1)

Who Al Gore?

Sure would =)

I like Al.


by DTaylor on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:36:31 PM EST
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no, Obama (none / 0)


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by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:52:00 PM EST
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Re: Will you vote for him if he is the nominee? (1.00 / 1)

No.  I will write in Hillary Clinton.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:33:46 AM EST
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Re: I am, literally, laughing out loud. (2.00 / 1)

Get back to me when Clinton finds a way to make less than half of the country stop disliking her.  Nader won't be doing her any favors if she's the nominee.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:29:46 PM EST
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Re: I am, literally, laughing out loud. (none / 0)

So your argument is that sicne neither of them can win Obama should let Hillary take the hit for Him? Because I can't think you would be arguing that Hillary is going to win, that's just not rational, heck by your logic wouldn't Obama be better off losing the nomination, running for Gov. of Illinois and then running in 2012? I mean Hillary and her ties to groups like FALN should make her unelectable as well right?


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:38:28 PM EST
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Re: I am, literally, laughing out loud. (none / 0)

Yes, I've seen Al Gore a lot lately.  Where have you been?


by dannyinla on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:49:31 PM EST
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I am pretty (none / 0)

sure I've he was busy hanging out at redstate.com


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by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:56:35 PM EST
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Re: I am, literally, laughing out loud. (none / 0)

great!  so am I at the stuff Obama has so far gotten away with.  But not for much longer.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:34:47 AM EST
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thank you for your opinion (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:24:08 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (2.00 / 2)

A troll alert!


McCain: The Past, Obama: The Future
by KathyM on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:26:01 PM EST

Are you the troll? (1.00 / 1)

God, are you people blind?  Sheep?  You don't know who the Weathermen were?

It should be a prerequisite to have taken American History to get on this blog.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:33:19 PM EST
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Re: Are you the troll? (2.00 / 1)

Yes, we know who they were.  That's why efforts to try and tie them to Obama are so funny.


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:51:55 PM EST
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Re: Are you the troll? (2.00 / 1)

Of course I do.  

And do you think every politician is responsible for every donor and every supporter she has ever had? That's a wee bit silly.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:51:58 PM EST
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Re: Are you the troll? (1.00 / 1)

Every supporter?  No, that's not realistic.  But the candidate went to that house.  Went to give a fundraising/launching speech.  Went to that house to seek the backing and endorsement of those people.  Went to that house to launch his political career, and do whatever it took to get elected.

If they had just endorsed him, that would be one thing...be he SOUGHT their endorsement...and that is a whole other bag.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:32:56 AM EST
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So What? (2.00 / 1)

Yawn!


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:28:48 PM EST

OMFG!!! (2.00 / 2)

I think the diarist is right!

Barack Obama was born in 1961.

Some other notables born in 1961:  

Vince Neil of Motley Crue.  Does Obama support shouting at the devil?  We need to know!

Futoshi Matsunaga - a Japanese serial kiler... Does Obama support serial killers?

Billy Ray Cyrus - does Barack Obama have an Achy Breaky Heart?

You can do more research  yourself... but I don't want to overreach and sound like a nut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961


by zonk on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:40:51 PM EST

The fundraiser was in 1995 (1.00 / 1)

Ayers book was published in 2001.

"A substantial portion of Ayers' book Fugitive Days discusses the author's penchant for building and deploying explosives. Ayers boasts that he "participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972." Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, "Everything was absolutely ideal. ... The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."  http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/indiv idualProfile.asp?indid=2169

Read a little more about Bernadine Dohrn:

A Chicago district attorney named Richard Elrod was seriously injured in the Weatherman riot that erupted during the Chicago "Days of Rage" in October 1969, and he was paralyzed for life as a result. Dohrn later led a celebration of Elrod's paralysis by leading her comrades in a parody of a Bob Dylan song -- "Lay, Elrod, Lay."

Nice people.  Dohrn celebrates someone getting paralyzed.  Olson kicks a pregnant woman in the stomach, and participates in a robbery where a mother of four is gunned down in cold blood.  And all you have is jokes.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:50:18 PM EST
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Re: The fundraiser was in 1995 (2.00 / 1)

The jokes come from your efforts to tie these people to Obama, not what they did.


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:53:42 PM EST
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Re: The fundraiser was in 1995 (1.00 / 1)

There are links afterwards, such as Michelle Obama inviting Ayers to a panel discussion.

You don't have any moral compass, do you?


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:04:00 PM EST
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Re: The fundraiser was in 1995 (2.00 / 1)

What's that bumper sticker?  If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.  

Sorry, but I'm somewhat cynical when it comes to politicians.  Maybe it's realism.  Whatever.  All I know is that I can't think of a single candidate that ran this election that I don't know a questionable, horrible, disgusting, terrible thing about.  Not a single one.

Blame the media maybe.  Or the internet, that's always a good scapegoat.


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM EST
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Re: The fundraiser was in 1995 (none / 0)

Anti-war movement in '69 resulted in several Chicago disturbances inspired by the Weather Underground and Students for a Democratic Society. An Oct. 11 parade from the Kennedy Expressway to Grant Park turned violent. Richard Elrod, an assistant corporate counsel to Chicago, became paralyzed from the neck down after a fall when he tried to subdue a demonstrator at 56 W. Madison St.

And from an excellent article in Chicago magazine (Dec 2006)

At Madison and State, Elrod watched the mayhem unfold. Protesters charged wildly through the streets, attacking the police and then being repulsed by them. Officers beat on protesters and bystanders alike. Standing next to a reporter from WBBM radio, Elrod relayed intelligence to city officials over a walkie-talkie.

Suddenly, a flash drew Elrod's attention. From down the street, he saw Flanagan running from an undercover officer. "What's going on?" Elrod recalls the reporter asking. "And then I just remember seeing this person and the police behind him saying, `Stop! Stop!' So I said, `Excuse me,' and put down my walkie-talkie and I took off toward him." Elrod, once a linebacker for the Northwestern Wildcats, streaked through the crowd, headed toward Flanagan.

Flanagan, meanwhile, barreled toward Madison and State. "I was trying to get away from the cops," he recalls. "They were shouting, `Stop him!'" He threw a glance over his shoulder at his pursuers. Then, "I see a suit come running across the street."

I have to get on the sidewalk, he recalls thinking as Elrod ran to cut him off. "But suddenly, he takes a flying tackle at me. He hits me right here," Flanagan says, pointing to his hip. The next moments, he says, elapsed as in a projector reel slowed to flashing frames. "With some part of his body, he knocked me sideways," Flanagan recalls. "He didn't knock me down, but into that doorway in the photo.

The doorway, as Flanagan recalls, led to a stairway down. He fell sideways and tumbled into the entrance of the R and R Western Lounge. "It had these swinging doors like a Western saloon," Flanagan says. "I got to my feet, but as I turned around to come back up, in comes a posse of police. They pushed me back down the stairs and started beating me. They were whacking me pretty good, when one guy comes around with the billy club. And either I duck or he misses me, but he hits his friend [another police officer] full in the face. This guy goes down in a heap.

"Now they're not interested in beating the shit out of me anymore, but helping out the guy they hit. The blood's pouring out of him. When I get back upstairs, they throw me down on the ground. That's how I end up laid out in the picture you have."

Let's get our facts straight.


by dannyinla on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:06:20 PM EST
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Re: OMFG!!! (none / 0)

And Ayers was "a bomber" and if you are from Boston you might say Barack "a bomba".


by dannyinla on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:51:05 PM EST
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Re: OMFG!!! (1.00 / 1)


Chew on this.

When Ayers' book "Fugitive" cam out, writer Michael Miner interviewed Ayers.  (Miner is a friend of Ayers.)  Miner wrote:

"Ayers followed a path in the 60s, from suburban child of privilege to enemy of the state, that for most of its length was heavily traveled. But he and a handful of others pushed past the apparent point of no return. "Each step was full of dread and uncertainty," he tells me. "But I took each step, for better or worse. But when I look back I'm not ashamed."* And Ayers, with absolutely no way of knowing, imagines Oughton--his lover at the time--understanding the danger and destroying herself to save the others. "The fact the bomb went off and killed only our own people saved us from something terrible and the world from something terrible," he says. "That's why I have been haunted by that moment."* The year Fitzpatrick won his Pulitzer, Seymour Hersh won another for revealing 1968's My Lai massacre, in which American troops led by Lieutenant William Calley gunned down more than 300 unarmed, unresisting villagers, among them women and children. No one was punished, though in 1998 three helicopter crewmen who'd intervened to halt the slaughter by facing down Calley's soldiers at gunpoint were honored in Washington. "It took more than 25 years to imagine their actions as heroic, to remember something moral in doing the unthinkable right thing in war, even when it seemed like the wrong thing," Ayers muses in print. "How much longer for Diana? When will she be remembered?"*

So, Ayers is saying that but for his then-lover blowing herself up accidentally, he would have embarked on a really serious career of bombing?  Isn't he also saying that Oughton, who was planning on planting a bomb at Ft. Dix, should be honored?


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:05:38 PM EST
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Radicals and Presidential candidates (none / 0)

I don't know about this story, but the Ayers story itself will be bigger than it would have been if it wasn't for Wright and his anti-American ravings. I certainly would not want to be the presidential candidate sandwiched between Wright and Ayers. The far left wingers don't have a problem with it, but everyone to the right of you does. The RAM is gearing up for it. FOX has sniffed this story out and is actively discussing it. I can see the 30 second ad now against Obama -- Twin Towers falling in the back ground, Wright and Ayers anti-American statements, the picture of Obama not putting his hand on this heart. It's almost laughable how easily Obama will be swiftboated. Sad really.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:47:51 PM EST

Re: Radicals and Presidential candidates (none / 0)

Thank you for your considered comment.  I hate the right, and Fox News, etc., but they're just sitting there waiting for Obama to be nominated to unleash this stuff.  I refuse to watch Fox, but Hannity's references to it (which I've seen on other blogs) show he's going to be on the story.

I am happy to discuss the opposing view -- that this is a big nothing -- but so far not one person has offered a coherent opposing view, just troll snarks.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:53:38 PM EST
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Re: Radicals and Presidential candidates (2.00 / 1)

You know they have stuff to unleash on both our candidates, right?


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST
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Re: Radicals and Presidential candidates (2.00 / 1)

Best to be prepared, and everything vetted.

Can you imagine if the Wright stuff had come out in October?


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:02:53 PM EST
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Re: Radicals and Presidential candidates (none / 0)

I can.  Luckily it didn't though.


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:10:02 PM EST
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if he was smart he would have leaked them in 07 (none / 0)

everyone knew who Wright was and Trinity sells the videos on its site.

Frankly i'm a little disappointed in Obama strategically.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:00:06 AM EST
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Re: Radicals and Presidential candidates (none / 0)

Yeah, they do.  But we've already heard 99% of Hillary's, and have the lies and complete fabrications seperated from the half-truths (as all politicians do) and obfuscations.

Obama's keep popping up from everywhere, and are tied to everything that can damage the party and the down-ticket races severely.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:40:17 AM EST
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I think for (none / 0)

Clinton swiftboat will be like this

screen is black
the big giant letters:
Clinton!!! Do not repeat the '90s

----

bet ya that will get repubs who hate her passionately out in force.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:54:53 PM EST
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Re: I think for (none / 0)

Yet, a lot of people now want to repeat the 90s.  As Carville once said: Its the economy stupid.


by christinep on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:06:17 PM EST
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erm, (2.00 / 1)

a lot of repubs will come out just to vote against a Clinton


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by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:09:35 PM EST
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Re: erm, (none / 0)

and some will vote for her. Especially if the economy doesn't improve. She (by virtue of Bill) is the strongest on the economy.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:32:58 PM EST
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right.... (2.00 / 1)


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by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:05:30 PM EST
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Re: I think for (none / 0)

For the many who did quite well in the 90s the idea of a repeat would be most welcome considering the current state of the economy which will probably be just as bad or worse in October.


by Tolstoy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:15:54 PM EST
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yeah (none / 0)

thats what they focus on...the economy...not on the fact that she is a horrible liberal!!! (to them)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:06:21 PM EST
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Was MLK far left? (none / 0)


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:56:57 PM EST
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Re: Was MLK far left? (none / 0)

It doesn't matter. There is a new paradigm after Sept 11th. On a side note, I'm glad we've found each other again. Need a hug?


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:30:42 PM EST
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What new paradigm? The right-wing (2.00 / 1)

paradigm where they get to criticize America but no one else can? I didn't fall for that one.

Oh yeah it's you! Nope. I just got a hug thanks.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:18:31 PM EST
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No, silly the new paradigm (none / 0)

New paradigm = nationalism


by grlpatriot on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:44:54 AM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)


by jdusek on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST

Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (2.00 / 1)

Oops. Clicked "post" to soon.

Do you think it's right to imply that Obama was a friend to Olson without any information linking the two?

I seem to recall Clinton supporters being upset recently when someone posted a diary suggesting (wrongly) that Clinton was involved in the passport breach w/o any facts to back it up.


by jdusek on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:53:39 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (1.00 / 1)

No, the inference is that Obama was hanging around with some very bad people (Ayers and Dohrn), knowing they were bad people.  This is just another factoid suggesting that Dohrn is a moral monster.

I don't know about you, but I would not even speak to such a person, much less take money from them.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:01:55 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

You do know what Ayers was doing in the 90s, don't you.

I mean, why not lump Bobby Rush in with the "bad people" while you're at it.


by dannyinla on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:09:23 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

That's a tough one...

On one hand, Bobby Rush backs Obama.

On the other hand, Barack Obama's only electoral loss was a primary challenge against Bobby Rush.

What say you, Team Clinton?

Bobby Rush - American hero for turning back the challenge of the uber-evil Obama turned traitor/radical?

Is Obama using his Jedi powers?  Should he be allowed to do that?


by zonk on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:20:36 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

Once someone is out of jail and has embarked on a career to help people, you think that the best thing to do is not to talk to them?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:10:57 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (2.00 / 1)

Christ on a popsicle.

"hanging around with"!?!?!

Ayers is a Professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago.  Whether you or I think he should be in jail is irrelevant.

What IS relevant is that you're desperately trying to make hay of it by tying it Obama by virtue of the fact that Obama, in 1995, received a campaign contribution from someone in a similar field (Obama was lecturing at the U of C while Ayers was at UIC) 13 years ago.

I could EASILY find just as many tangential ties from 60s radicals to the Clintons.  Hell - I've got a Lexis account... I wouldn't even need to look hard.  I could easily find all the leads I want from freerepublic.com then trace them back to the same type of legitimate news source -- all the while, making sure I do exactly what the freepers always did.

Find a legitimate news article about this monster, that radical, this anti-American, etc --- then spend some time connecting the dots -- and voila.

Here's the difference - I'm not interested in playing contortionist with the facts in order to smear Clinton.   AMERICA wasn't interested in it when they elected Bill Clinton twice.

Why you are suddenly so interested in doing it?


by zonk on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:15:47 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

When Sara Olson was discovered living her life, she was a housewife in St. Paul, MN.  Her neighbors and fellow church members did one of those books with their recipes in it to raise money for her legal defense fund.

Just thought you might find it amusing...


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:53:26 PM EST

Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

I have a hard time with that argument because it's typical of all fugitive stories.  The person commits a terrible crime, and then leads a straight life.  Are they doing this out of remorse, or because they don't want to get caught?

The SLA was a horrible group.  One of their famous acts was killing the superintendent of the Oakland CA schools.  From what I've read, Olson was heavily implicated in these crimes.  One reason she did not get more time was the a key witness had died in the 20-something years.  Is that justice for the children of the pregnant woman who was killed, leaving four kids?  Or the woman who miscarried?


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:57:16 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

I didn't mean to suggest that she didn't deserve to be held accountable for her crimes. I think she did.

But I did find it incongruous that people were raising money for her with a group cookbook.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:00:51 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (none / 0)

Except that she was a felon.  And, even tho I was a big protester in the late 1960s, the Weathermen were quite another matter to a lot of us.


by christinep on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:08:09 PM EST
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Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (2.00 / 2)

My understanding is that Bill Clinton pardoned domestic terrorists.  How do you think that will play in the election?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:54:23 PM EST

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How many years had they served?  Dohrn served very little time -- for refusing to cooperate in an investigation into a murder.  As I said in another post, Olson's fugitive status allowed her to get an easy sentence -- evidence had gone stale and a key witness had died.

I believe the people pardoned by Clinton had been in jail a long time.  And there is nothing in those pardons suggesting he benefited monetarily, as did Obama in his early association with Ayers and Dohrn.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:59:49 PM EST
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And the right wing has tried to portray those pardons as being an effort to help his wife out in her first NY senate race.  It caused quite a bit of outrage on both sides of the spectrum at the end of his administration, with everyone loving him, can you imagine how it'd go down now with the slightly different perspectives on terrorism?

Does the right wing's readying of this kind of stuff mean Hillary is unelectable?  Should we write breathless diaries about her 'terrorism links'?  No, of course not.  It's right wing bullshit and concern trolling.  Same as these same types of diaries about Obama.


by Brillobreaks on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:00:55 PM EST
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Is he? Gosh I hope so! Revolutionaries are (none / 0)

American like apple pie.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:55:54 PM EST

Re: Was re-jailed SLA member Sara Olson a friend o (2.00 / 1)

Just when you think the bottom of the barrel has surely been scraped.


The choice is simple: A President who voted for the worst of Bush's odius agenda, or one who didn't.
by Liberal Avenger on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:18:19 PM EST

This diary is a pile (2.00 / 1)

of hot shit.


by bigdcdem on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:20:57 PM EST

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a close friend of mine was born in the early 40's.. after high school she joined an underground communist group and plotted nefarious plans to turn this country into a communist outpost for russia.  She told me that she knows a person that grew up in chicago and has contacts in the political machine, possible family members..  those contacts tell me they know about Obama and have read about him in the papers.

The evidence is clear - Obama is a communist.


by soros on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:21:17 PM EST

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This is too cheap a shot. Delete


by NY Writer on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:07:38 PM EST


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