Obama Campaign Refuted on IL Questionnaire

Politico, a blogsite which has been pretty neutral during this campaign, has essentially accused the Obama campaign of lying about a crucial questionnaire Obama filled out when he was getting started in Illinois politics.  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9269.html

During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion- positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he's projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group's detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama's answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he "never saw or approved" the questionnaire.

They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who "unintentionally mischaracterize(d) his position."

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago non-profit group that issued it. And it found that Obama - the day after sitting for the interview - filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama's own handwritten notes adding to one answer.

This story will be something the Obama campaign will have to deal with between now and November.  Even a liberal, mostly pro-Obama blog like TPM has taken notice:

One member of the organization, the Independent Voters of Illinois - Independent Precinct Organization, was upset about the Obama camp's treatment of the subject, arguing Obama's 1996 answers reflected his actual opinions, while his current stances are tailored for a national audience.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/03/report_obama_involved_in _1996.php

The problem is that some of the views will be viewed as extreme by the general electorate, such as the facts that he opposed parental notification on abortions, later amending this to say that he might possibly support it for 12- or 13-year-olds, but no older. Obama unconditionally opposed the death penalty. And, he supported bans on the sale, possession, and manufacture of guns.

Many of us might think some or all of these positions are the correct ones.  Personally, I favor banning the possession or sale of all non-hunting weaponry (except for law enforcement).

But it raises the question once again - who is the real Obama?  What does he really believe?  



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Re: Obama Campaign Refuted on IL Questionnaire (2.00 / 2)

Yet again he lies and gets caught and gets a free-pass from the media. The man is a pathological liar and sooner we see that the better it is for us.


by tarheel74 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:47:50 AM EST

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but no in a more serious note:
*obviously you Hillary supporters minds were made up about this before you even knew about it, this is for Obama supporters that like the truth in their candidate

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1 207/Chicago_activists_doubt_Obamas_answe rs_on_questionnaire.html


Obama's staff also says those were his positions at the time, though there appears to be no other evidence dating back to 1996 of his stance on either side of those and other issues.

Mrs. Dobry said she recalled the questionnaire being handed out and discussed at the meeting with Obama, and the Dobrys wrote that they considered it "inconceivable" that he would have allowed a staffer to fill out the questionnaire, though they had no direct evidence he had filled it out.

Another member of IVI-IPO who said she attended a different meeting with Obama during that campaign season, Deboray McCoy, said she left with no strong feeling of who had filled out the questionnaire, or that the questionnaire mattered as much as his performance.

now to the current controversy
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9269.html

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama -- the day after sitting for the interview -- filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama's own handwritten notes added to one answer.

Through an aide, Obama, who won the group's endorsement as well as the statehouse seat, did not dispute that the handwriting was his. But he contended it doesn't prove he completed, approved -- or even read -- the latter questionnaire.

"Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires -- a staffer did -- and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now," Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama's campaign, said in an e-mailed statement. "He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire at the meeting, but that doesn't change the fact that some answers didn't reflect his views. His 11 years in public office do."

Taken together -- and combined with later policy pronouncements -- the two 1996 questionnaires paint a picture of an inexperienced Obama still trying to feel his way around major political issues and less constrained by the nuance that now frames his positions on sensitive issues.

Consider the question of whether minors should be required to get parental consent -- or at least notify their parents -- before having abortion.

The first version of Obama's questionnaire responds with a simple "No."

The amended version, though, answers less stridently: "Depends on how young -- possibly for extremely young teens, i.e., 12- or 13-year-olds."


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:02:48 AM EST
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Did you entirely miss the point that in almost every relevant detail, the "amended" version gave essentially the same answers -- on the death penalty, on banning the sale of handguns, on parental notification (a minor caveat being added here by Obama) -- that Obama was denying he had a hand in in the first place?

Or does Truth not really Matter?


by frankly0 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:11:11 AM EST
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no to me it looks more like he did a quick gloss over, kinda like I did when I just looked at it and he caught what stood out but didn't much worry.

sorry its a difference of opinion here.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:15:49 AM EST
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He should be proud of his positions, there is nothing wrong with his answers to the questionnaire. The problem is he constantly lies until he gets caught in the lie.


by leozh on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:53:34 AM EST

I support most of Obama's current positions (2.00 / 2)

and even some older ones.  My biggest problem, which I have yet to resolve in my head, is whether he has any belief system at all.  In many ways, he seems like Romney to me -- and McCain -- well and a lot of politicians -- changing with the wind in order to get elected.

And he seems awfully sincere when he speaks and is quite captivating.  But then I read something like the New Black Panther endorsement and I wonder, WTH?  http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/o ne-degree-of-separation-klein-racists.ht ml

I've been supporting Hillary because I know what to expect, and I am still unhappy about her Iraq War vote.  I was always for giving the UN inspectors more time.  But will I have to sit this one out because some new revelation about Obama will surface?


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:01:54 AM EST
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its not changing with the wind its changing when you get more information.

In 2002 I was for an invasion in Iraq, Today I am against it and think it was wrong, what changed? my knowledge of the subject.

I use to be Pro-death penalty now I am against it,

16 year olds getting abortions without consent? I don't know, so many things to consider

Guns? The fact that ALL government buildings ban them is enough said.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:07:36 AM EST
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"He should be proud of his positions, there is nothing wrong with his answers to the questionnaire. The problem is he constantly lies until he gets caught in the lie."

Yes, he also used to support single payer health care, and has gone to the other etreme in his evolving views on the issues. If he were genuinely for these positions he once appears to advocate for, I would be working for him, donating to him, and voting for him. He has gone over to the anti progressive, free market right wing side, and it appears to me that his earlier posiions, like his attendance at TUCC, was simply to garner support in his liberal district.

He is now surrounded by center right advisors and seems supremely comfortable chatting up free market competition as he answer to all out problems. You know, like trickle down economics, which amounts to the rich pissing on the poor and expecting the poor to thank them for the shower.

I am a true Democrat according to traditional liberal Democratic values. If the Democratic Party abandons me by nominating  Republican Lite candidate Obama there is no way I will ever vote for him. I have principles I do not violate, and I will not give my support to a candidate I do not believe in or trust.


by 07rescue on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:11:33 AM EST
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I think the reality is that many Dems (2.00 / 2)

are uncomfortable with some positions of both candidates, but settle on one as the better alternative.  That's normal human behavior.

As Hubert Humphrey once said, if you only belonged to a party you were in complete agreement with, your party convention would be in a phone booth.  

The question is, is there something really big in one of the candidate's profiles that really upsets them to the extent they'd vote for McCain.  This is a question that Gallup has been exploring.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/105742/Democr atic-Groups-Most-Risk-Deserting.aspx


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:55:38 AM EST

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I think this comment a person made sums all this up nicely


TeamPolitico: Mar. 31, 2008 - 4:31 AM EST

That "was a long time ago," she said. "And anybody who hasn't refined their ideas over that period of time ... is not anybody I'm interested in," she said.

Exactly! Times change, people change, issues change. Changing ones stance on a certain issue isn't a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength and intelligence, as long as the decision is based on experience and fact.

also people note, that now Hillary and McCains positions in the past will be dug up,

so answer this before you comment,

"how sure am I that MY candidate hasn't changed any positions over the last 12 years?"


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:04:29 AM EST

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It's fine to change positions, the problem is lying about it.


by leozh on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:37:50 AM EST
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Given that your handle is "TruthMatters", don't you think it's a little problem if Obama claimed that the questionnaire was filled out by someone else, and did not reflect his own views, and yet we seem to have essentially the same answers to the same questions in a questionnaire that he seemed to have added handwritten notes, and for which, apparently, he was interviewed by an organization which, one would expect, quizzed him on those answers?

I mean, does Truth Matter, or doesn't it? Or does it not matter when it becomes an issue for Obama?


by frankly0 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:07:30 AM EST

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did you read any of the article or just this diary?

see my post below with a few more quotes that put more into focus.

Did he fill it out? He says no so that is good enough for me to prove he is lying.

This doesn't this proves he did AMEND it.

he never claimed to not have amended it, he claimed he didn't fill out the original.

thus I don't see a lie.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:09:39 AM EST
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Please, the reason he denied to begin with that he filled out the questionnaire is that he claimed that it did not reflect his positions -- in particular, on capital punishment, parental notification, and banning the sale of handguns. The only position that was in any way altered was on parental notification, where he allowed an exception to his general rejection of that concept if the girl was only 12 or 13.

Can you be honest about this, TruthMatters?


by frankly0 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:16:09 AM EST
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also he didn't say it didn't reflect his positions he said it

mischaracterize(d) his position.

like you tried to do, he didn't say it was ONLY 12 and 13 year olds.

he said young teens FOR EXAMPLE 12 and 13 years olds.

that doesn't mean he doesn't also consider 14 year olds to be young teens

you are now mischaracterizing his position on it, just like the questionare did.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:23:33 AM EST
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This is the only defense you can muster? That it's consistent with what he wrote that his exception might also apply to 14 year olds (though he didn't mention that age)?

And what about his positions on capital punishment, and banning handguns?

Where is the "amendment" that might possibly justify his claim that the original "mischaracterized" his positions?

Face it, you got nothin'

And this isn't just some misremembered and possibly embellished event, like the Bosnia story -- this goes to the core of what the man really believes, and has believed, in terms of most basic policy that affects the nation at large. If he can't be honest about that, what can we trust when he says he's committed to a policy? Anything?


by frankly0 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:41:44 AM EST
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Re: Obama Campaign Refuted on IL Questionnaire (2.00 / 1)

Just to follow up on my previous post, given that the only "amendment" is the minor exception with regard to the age of the pregnant girl, how can it possibly be honest to declare that the survey "unintentionally mischaracterize(d) his position."

Again, does Truth Matter?


by frankly0 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:18:50 AM EST
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well you tell me you have the questionaire,

now what does his time in the State Senate say about his positions and that questionaire. I guess if we completely ignore his time in the senate and only look at the questionaire you may have a point.

also he didn't say ONLY 12 or 13 he said for extremly young teens IE. 12 and 13

does that mean only 12 and 13 and not 14? sure if it does to you.

you keep quoting my handle why completely distorting this whole thing.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:21:48 AM EST
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Re: Obama Campaign Refuted on IL Questionnaire (2.00 / 2)

The problem with this is that it opens Obama up to the direct mail pieces that show him outside the mainstream of targeted voters.

WV, CO, VA, MO, OH, PA-- the gun stance will wind up being an attack position over and over again, no matter what Obama does or says to try and say he changed his position.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:08:59 AM EST

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I think that's the point.  A long time ago Bob Novak, who for all his bad philosophy can make astute political judgments, said Hillary's problem would be that she had positioned herself in the center, thinking she had a lock on the nomination, but she failed to see the potential danger in doing this.


by katmandu1 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:17:29 AM EST
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More evidence of smoke and mirrors from Obama. Not that it matters of course, nothing ever matters when it's Obama. He's not only honesty challenged, he's reality challenged as well. For a guy who is allegedly bright he doesn't come off as particularly knowledgeable about anything or anyone that surrounds him.

Ooops, I'm a Liberal? I didn't know.
Ooops, I was supposed to not only show up but also vote? I didn't know.
Ooops, Tony Rezko is a corrupt crook? I didn't know.
Ooops, the money that Rezko bought my yard for me with came from Iraq? I didn't know.
Ooops, I wasn't a Professor? I didn't know.
Ooops, my African-American constituents froze without heat? I didn't know.
Ooops, Jeremiah Wright makes hate speech? I didn't know.
Ooops, I'm a dissembling pol from the Chicago machine and I've got a propensity for lying. Now, that I know...


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:22:31 AM EST

Re: Obama Campaign Refuted on IL Questionnaire (2.00 / 2)

So, if Obama changes position on anything it's fine. Normal, in fact, to change positions once you get more information.

But if Clinton changes her position, like on the war for example, she is lying and triangulating and everything else?

Does no one see the damn double standard here?!


by americanincanada on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:29:07 AM EST


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